03 December, 2020

FAQ—God’s wrath and hatred

 

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Q. 1. “What is God’s ‘wrath’?”

 

“The wrath of God is His hot displeasure against all unrighteousness, sin and rebellion, which is an affront to His absolute holiness.” (Rev. Martyn McGeown)

 

“The reaction of His holiness against the workers of iniquity” (Herman Hoeksema, “Reformed Dogmatics,” vol. 1, p. 575)

 

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Q. 2. “Can Christians experience God’s wrath?”

 

Christians can come under God’s wrath. In the following texts, we see that the regenerate, while free from God’s judicial hate, are subject to God’s anger, wrath, and displeasure:

“O LORD, rebuke me not in thine anger, neither chasten me in thy hot displeasure” (Ps. 6:1).

“Sing unto the Lord, O ye saints of his, and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness. For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning” (Ps. 30:4-5).

“O Lord, rebuke me not in thy wrath: neither chasten me in thy hot displeasure” (Ps. 38:1).

“For we are consumed by thine anger, and by thy wrath are we troubled” (Ps. 90:7).

 

Other passages include II Chronicles 19:2, Psalm 38:1, 88:7, Habakkuk 3:2, Romans 13:5, I Corinthians 11:28-34, Hebrews 12:6-11, etc.

 

The Heidelberg Catechism also teaches this in Q&A 81/82 ...

 

Q. 81. “Are they also to be admitted to this supper, who, by confession and life, declare themselves unbelieving and ungodly?”

A. 82. “No; for by this the covenant of God would be profaned, and His wrath kindled against the whole congregation.”

 

We experience His wrath as chastisement.

 

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Q. 3. “What is God’s ‘hatred’?”

 

“His eternal determination to destroy the wicked” (Rev. Martyn McGeown)

 

“His hatred is His resolute determination to thrust away from Himself and punish everlastingly.” (Rev. Angus Stewart, “The Psalms Versus Common Grace”—comm. on Psalm 11)

 

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Q. 4. “It is argued by anti-Common Grace people that God hates the reprobate and therefore cannot love them. But surely it is in the sense of detestation that God hates—not in the sense of desiring to destroy or take revenge. God loathes the reprobate for their rebellion, but at the same time loves and wishes for their repentance.”

 

[T]his does not fit with the biblical presentation of God’s hatred: (1) God hated Esau before he was born and before he had done anything good or evil (Rom. 9:11-13), that is, unconditionally—for reprobation (like election) is unconditional; (2) God’s hatred issues in the destruction of the reprobate—for in His hatred for Edom, God “laid his mountains and his heritage waste” (Mal. 1:3), even smashing Edom after she attempted to rebuild (v. 4) and declaring indignation against her forever (v. 4). In His hatred for the wicked in Psalms 5 and 11, God, the righteous Lord, destroys and abhors them (5:5-6), and rains upon them “snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest,” which shall be “the portion of their cup” (11:6). Such hatred certainly includes a desire to destroy, without, however, any hint of injustice, for God cannot be unjust (Deut. 32:4; Rom. 9:14). God’s hatred of the reprobate issues in the lake of fire—where, ironically, the [“common grace” advocate’s] “non-saving” love of God also issues, for the reprobate perish—any “non-saving” love of God for them notwithstanding. This creates insurmountable problems: How can the child of God, who trusts in God’s love, derive any comfort from it, if, in fact, God loves everybody? How can the Christian know that God loves him with more than the “love” with which He supposedly loves the reprobate? (Rev. Martyn McGeown, PRTJ, vol. 51, no. 2 [April 2018])

 

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Q. 5. “Is wrath an attribute of God? (like grace, mercy, love, holiness, etc.) Is His divine “hatred” classified as an attribute? Or is it a different concept altogether? What are the differences between wrath and hatred?”

 

“Is wrath an attribute of God? No, because God is never wrathful in Himself. God’s wrath is not His becoming angry in an emotional sense or losing His temper. It is a settled disposition against evil. God’s wrath is His attitude or response to unholiness. God has no pleasure in wickedness (Psa. 5:4-5).” (Rev. Martyn McGeown, “Essentials of Reformed Doctrine: Lesson Outlines”)

 

“Wrath and hatred are aspects of the perfections of grace and love, rather than being perfections by themselves alone. The beauty of God, especially as revealed in His attitude of favor in Jesus Christ, takes the form of wrath against all that is evil. So also with regard to hatred: aversion to all who are opposed to His goodness in Jesus Christ.

Wrath and hatred are similar. Hatred is the more basic characteristic or disposition. It is the divine aversion to all that conflicts with and who oppose His goodness, or holiness. Wrath is the expression of this aversion in a consuming anger.” (Prof. David J. Engelsma, 09/04/2018)

 

“Strictly speaking, wrath is not an attribute of God. For something to be an attribute of God, it has to be something that God exercises before all worlds. It would be more appropriate to say that the wrath of God is the manifestation of the holiness of God in the context of the sinfulness of man. So, within the Trinitarian relationship, that holiness is expressed among the members of the Trinity, but not wrath.” (Sinclair Ferguson, Ligonier Conference [Date unknown])

 

“According to Wolfhart Pannenberg, wrath is not an attribute of God but ‘the annihilating outworking of his holiness when it comes into contact with what is unclean.’ Paul Jewett’s position is similar: ‘Wrath describes not God as he is in himself, but rather as he is related to the sinner who spurns his love and dishonors his name.’ Holiness and love are alone the true nature of God. Wrath is the reaction of God, the necessary reaction of God’s holiness against sin” (Donald G. Bloesch, “God, the Almighty: Power, Wisdom, Holiness, Love” [Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2006], p. 142)

 

“not that there is anger in God except metaphorically” (Thomas Aquinas, Sup. Heb., C. 3, L. 2, 181.)

 

“In the first place, we may state that God’s hatred as such is not, in the positive sense of the term, one of His attributes, or virtues, as are, for example, God’s love, God’s righteousness, God’s holiness. God is in Himself, apart from any relation and attitude toward the creature, love. He IS righteousness. He IS holiness. But in this sense we never read in Scripture that God IS hatred and this cannot properly be posited of God, Within the divine Being and life as such there is no positive attribute of hatred. Hatred is negative.

In the second place, and in close connection with the preceding, we would maintain that God’s hatred is implied in and is an aspect of His holy Self-love as that Self-love is revealed toward the creature. It is the contrast, the counter-part, the antithesis of love. In the revelation of His love of Himself to the creature outside of Himself, God’s hatred is the ‘no’ of the ‘yes’ of God’s love. From this already it would follow that the revelation of that hatred stands essentially in the service of the revelation of His love.

Hence, in the third place, God’s hatred must be defined and circumscribed in terms of His love.” (Homer C. Hoeksema, PRTJ, vol. 1, no. 1 [Apr 1967], pp. 23-24)

 

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Q. 6. “According to Aristotle’s ‘10 Categories of Being,’ to argue that if God’s wrath and hatred are not ‘attributes’ of God in the full sense of the word (i.e. that if God is not wrathful in Himself, regardless of anything outside of Himself), then we have no other option than to say they are ‘accidents’—and consequently you end up denying the doctrine of divine simplicity and classical theism.”


By “accidents,” Aristotle meant characteristics that are not fundamental to one’s being (without them one is essentially what he is, without loss or change in one’s being), but that one takes on as it were incidentally on account of outside influences. A human is ontologically a human without a large wart on his nose; the wart is an accident.

I decline to describe God in Aristotelian categories. Scripture reveals God. God is love, according to the Bible. Love is an (ontological) perfection of His being. Hatred is not a perfection of the divine being. But the perfection of love expresses itself (eternally) as hatred for anyone (e.g.) the devil and anything (sin) that opposes the divine being. Hatred therefore is an implication of the perfection of love. Since love is the being of God (God is His perfections), the divine being expresses Himself as hatred towards all that opposes the goodness of God.

This does justice to the truth of simplicity, without complicating the truth of God by philosophical categories. (Prof. David J. Engelsma, 13/04/2018)

 

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Q. 7. “If wrath and hatred are not ‘attributes’ of God, what category do you place them in relation to God?”

 

“an implication of the perfection of love. Since love is the being of God (God is His perfections), the divine being expresses Himself as hatred towards all that opposes the goodness of God.” (Prof. David J. Engelsma, 13/04/2018)

 

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Q. 8. “How do you define ‘inherent’?”

 

“inherent: ‘existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute.’”

 

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Q. 9. “Can you prove that God’s attributes/virtues are first and foremost toward Himself?”

 

The proof that His all His eternal attributes/virtues are toward Himself first and foremost is His self-sufficiency—He does not need the creature to be His attributes. (Rev. Angus Stewart)

    

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Q. 10. “Did not God hate Esau before he hath done any evil? If yes, then why cannot it be said that God’s hatred is not ‘attribute’?”

 

God indeed hated Esau before he had done any evil? (Rom. 9:13). But Gods hatred is not ‘attribute’ because God’s attributes all have Himself as their object (as least first of all and principally) and God does not hate Himself. (Rev. Angus Stewart)

 

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Q. 11. “If wrath and hatred are not attributes or virtues of God, what is being applied in the lake of fire? An abundance of love or application of justice in response to His righteousness?”

 

We are denying that wrath and hatred are attributes of God—not that God is angry/wrathful with the reprobate and punishes them in Hell for ever, etc. God is love, for He loves Himself. An attribute of God is self-sufficient. God does not hate or show wrath to Himself. (Rev. Angus Stewart)

 

God eternally hates the reprobate in the way of their sins (Rom. 9:13), but wrath and hatred are not attributes of God. The simplicity of God means that He IS His attributes. God IS His infinity, His love, His justice, His power, His wisdom, His unchangeableness, His mercy, His omnipresence, His truth, etc. But God IS NOT His hatred or His wrath. We fully hold the truth of eternal punishment, God’s hatred and hardening of the reprobate, that Christ bore the wrath of God due to the elect, etc., but this does not mean that God IS His hatred or wrath or that these things are divine attributes. (Rev. Angus Stewart)

 

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Q. 12. “If ‘God eternally hates the reprobate in the way of their sins (Romans 9:13),’ how is this hatred not an essential attribute of God?”

 

Divine simplicity means that God IS his attributes. IS God wrath? IS God hatred (as well as love)? (Rev. Angus Stewart)

 

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Q. 13. “Before the original sin or Fall, God did decree election and reprobation, irrespective of any good works or sins of men. The ultimate reason for this does not lie outside of God while God being the supreme, ultimate and imperial cause of election and reprobation.  So even before the Fall, or before they have done any good or evil, God made a decree to love Jacob and hate Esau. How then, in this case at least, wrath and hatred will not qualify for divine attributes?”

 

God eternally hated the reprobate (in the way of their sin). I do not see any substantive difference in our positions. It is a matter of definition of a divine “attribute.” (Rev. Angus Stewart)

 

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Q. 14. “How about Psalms 95:11?—‘Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.’ Is this not an eternal decree? Does this not go in parallel with Psalm 89:35—‘Once have I sworn by my holiness’? Just as holiness is His attribute, is not wrath of God also an attribute?”

 

Yes. But this does not prove that wrath is a divine attribute.

 

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Q. 15. “Since sin is outside of God, you are bound to conclude that wrath also is outside of His essential being, and therefore wrath began when sin began and it logically follows that wrath could not be an attribute because it had a beginning, if I understood your position correctly?

 

This is not my argument.

 

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Q. 16. “The decree of reprobation is irrespective of sin is it not? (Rom 9:13—BEFORE doing any evil) But you say, ‘in the way of sin.’ Bible says that God does have the right to create a vessel of wrath FITTED UNTO (NOT FOR) DESTRUCTION IRRESPECTIVE OF sin in the object He hath made. That is the right of the Potter in His essential being.”

 

The decree of reprobation is prior to sin and not conditioned on sin (unconditional) but not irrespective of sin. God unconditionally reprobates (sovereign) in the way of sin (justice). God could not reprobate someone (which includes His hating, hardening and punishing them everlastingly) who never sinned. The Reformed position is that God unconditionally reprobates (sovereign) in the way of sin (justice). (Rev. Angus Stewart)

 

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Q. 17. “To say ‘God unconditionally reprobates in the way of sin’ … is this not judicial (conditional) reprobation and therefore not sovereign reprobation?”

 

This is simply the Reformed formulation of reprobation, which preserves both the absolute sovereignty of God and His holiness.

Here is a sermon on reprobation: http://www.cprc.co.uk/romans9f.mp3 (Rev. Angus Stewart)

 

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Q. 18. “What is meant by ‘God could not reprobate someone (which includes His hating ...) who never sinned’?”

 

God is holy. Because of His own holiness, He cannot hate or condemn or eternally reprobate to hell those who are righteous. The judicial ground of the condemnation of those sovereignly reprobated is their sin. (Rev. Angus Stewart)

 

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Q. 19. “Doesn't God hate reprobates prior to sin under the supralapsarian view? But when it comes to punishment God is just because he waits until after they have sinned.”

 

The Canons of Dordt condemn as “detestable” the idea that God reprobated (hated) men without any regard to their sins.

 

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Q. 20. “Wasn’t the Canons of Dordt written from an infralapsarian perspective though.”

 

That’s irrelevant.

 

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Q. 21. “Why can’t God hate whom He so wills without relation to sin?”

 

Because He is holy and righteous.

 

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Q. 22. “How do you mean by saying God reprobated men ‘in the way of sin’?”

 

It simply means that that God not only decreed the end, but also the means to that end.

 

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Q. 23. “Are ‘wrath’ and ‘hatred’ the same or are they different?”

 

Wrath is not the same as hatred.  As intense anger, wrath is commensurate with love in the case of God’s elect people. His anger falls upon His children walking in sin not repented of. Anger expresses itself in chastisements, as in the case of David living in adultery and murder. The Psalms often cry out over the experience of God’s anger by Israel or by one of the saints. Similar is the intense anger, or wrath, that a covenant parent shows to a disobedient covenant child. (Prof. David J. Engelsma, 14/04/2018)

 

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Q. 24. “Did God ‘hate’ Christ on the cross? If not, how is it that Christ ‘bore the wrath of God for the sins of His people’?”

 

God never hated His Christ. God never loved Christ more than when He was pouring out His punitive wrath upon Him on the cross and when the Christ was obediently submitting to this wrath. By the way, the difference between God’s wrath upon Christ and His wrath upon us is that His wrath upon Christ was punitive whereas His wrath upon us is never punitive but always chastising. (Prof. David J. Engelsma, 14/04/2018)

 

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Q. 25. “God decreed from eternity to hate Christ for a time, and to no longer hate Him after that ... And because He sovereignly decreed these changing attitudes or dispositions, He not only remains eternally unchangeable, but is freely available to manifest His hatred in any way He wants.”

 

God decrees 'things' outside Himself, NOT His own attributes. God decrees sin and God 'automatically' yet freely hates the sin. He does not decree His own wrath! (Rev. Angus Stewart)

 

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Q. 26. “If we are going to deny wrath to be an essential attribute or virtue of His being, are we not left with saying there must’ve been a ‘change’ in God?—God not bearing wrath in eternity past, but suddenly bearing wrath ‘in time’? Does this not create a ‘change’ in God? (Once He was wrathful, and the next minute He wasn’t wrathful). Doesn’t the doctrine of immutability (or unchangeableness) necessitate that wrath must be constantly ‘eternal’ and therefore an attribute of God in itself (God’s attributes all being eternal)?”

 

Wrath is not an (essential) attribute of God as is love. Wrath is the manifestation of His love for Himself towards sinful creatures—chastising in the case of the elect and punitive in the case of the reprobate ungodly, as in its own way in the case of Christ substituting for His guilty church. As for the ‘eternality’ of wrath, this is realized in the eternal decree to pour out His wrath on the Christ. The problem you raise is basically the same as that concerning creation. God created in time, not in eternity.  This implies no change in God.  For He decreed eternally to create (in time). (Prof. David J. Engelsma, 14/04/2018)

 

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Q. 27. “I’ve been in correspondence with some individuals who are into Aristotle and Philosophy, and who take his ‘Categories of Being,’ so-called, to argue that if God’s wrath and hatred are not ‘attributes’ of God in the full sense of the word (that is, if God is not wrathful in Himself regardless of anything outside of Himself) then wrath and hatred must be classed as so-called ‘accidents.’ Basically we are presented with an ‘either/or’ situation: ‘Either wrath/hatred are what God is, ontologically (wrath and hatred are who HE IS—His being, essence or substance) or we end up denying divine simplicity and classical theism and ending up with no other option than wrath being catagorized as an ‘accident’ ... How would you define what in philosophical terminology are called ‘accidents’? If wrath is not His ‘substance’ is it therefore His ‘accident’?”

 

Concerning this matter of Plato and Aristotle: they were Greek philosophers who were pagan in their teachings. That is, they could not and never did write anything that was the truth. In the early history of the church, there were learned men, educated in pagan schools, who thought Greek philosophy compatible with the Christian faith. Justin Martyr is a case in point.

The result was that Gnosticism arose and almost destroyed the church. Gnosticism was a fusing of pagan, Jewish, eastern mysticism and Christianity into one religion. It finally failed, primarily because of the work of Iraenaus, who insisted Christianity was unique in that in all respects, it was rooted in divine revelation.

In the Middle Ages, when Greek and Roman writings were made available to the European church. The church was Roman Catholic and the MSS and artifacts from the East sparked the Renaissance. The popes fought against this new learning, but could not stop it, and so decided to make peace with it. The results were various successful attempts to merge Christian thought with pagan philosophers’ writings. This was particularly true of Aristotle’s writings, although there were also those who preferred Plato’s idealism. The outstanding figure was Thomas Aquinas. That in turn produced Scholasticism and also made the church a patron of the Renaissance.

In more recent times the same thing has taken place under the erroneous doctrine of common grace. When I was attending Calvin College, the generally held view was that common grace enabled Greek philosophers to discover and teach important truths. In fact, one professor bemoaned the fact that Plato climbed the ladder toward heaven and almost made it, but failed to climb the last rung. This made him very sad. In other words, the ancient Greek writers (and sculptors and artists) possessed grace. Such a view has also led to vast departures from the truth.

Accidents in philosophy are to be distinguished from the essence of a creature. Your essence is “humanness” and your accident are your height, the color of your hair and eyes, and the size of your nose. The essence is the general class to which you belong; your accidents are your own characteristics. You are like me in essence, but quite different from me in accidents.

Holiness is an essential attribute of God as are all His attributes (“God is love” not “God loves”, or better, God loves because He is love). Anger and wrath are emotional responses to man’s violation of God’s holiness. God possesses emotion; emotions belong to the will; God wills to punish the wicked who tarnish and attempt to destroy His holiness. Nothing about God can be described in terms of human characteristics. He is the “Wholly Other One.” His response to sin must be wrath: anything else would deny His holiness. (Prof. Herman C. Hanko, 19/04/2018)

 

 

 

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QUESTIONS/STATEMENTS FOR FURTHER STUDY:

 

Q. “Is Romans 9 suggesting that God’s hatred had nothing to do with Esau’s sin? (‘though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad, in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls’—v. 9).”

 

Q. “If God cannot have ‘hate’ as an attribute, then how can God have ‘love’ as an attribute?”

 

Q. “To say that hate is an out-working of love is to confuse the manifestation of the attribute with the attribute itself ...” (???)

 

Q. “Is God outworking His attributes? If yes, then did the attributes come into being only at moment God began outworking them? If yes, how does this not deny God’s unchangeability? If not, He decrees according to His attributes, and hatred is an attribute of God ...” (???)

 

Q. “To posit wrath as an accident of God is to deny His simplicity. It is either of His essence/substance or it is not. If not, then an accident, not substance.”

 

Q. “Since we believe that wrath is only against sin, does that mean that wrath only came into existence at the Fall, and not before?”

 

Q. “If wrath occurred only after the Fall, doesn’t this imply that God was ‘surprised’ by Adam's sin?”

 

Q. “If Gods hatred is never apart from sin, then surely His hatred is judicial and not ‘sovereign’ (aka, uncaused).”

 

Q. “Isn’t ‘unconditional reprobation’ inconsistent with ‘damnation in the way of sins’?” The very fact that we use the term ‘unconditional’ is because it indicates that reprobation, as a decree, is not based on the sin of man, while we all agree condemnation is a judicial hatred in time.” (???)

 

Q. “God loved Jacob for no reason. God hated Esau for no reason. Period. And He need not give an account of ‘Esau was reprobated/hated in the way of his sins’ as you often quote.”

 

Q. “If to love the elect was an eternal decree, then to not love the non-elect is also an eternal decree ... Thus if God is love, God is non-love too ... In other words, God’s one perfection is manifested in various ways ... As love for the elect ... As hate for the reprobate ... So if love is an attribute of God, then so also is hate.” (????)

 

Q. “Doesn’t God hate sin and sinner? Doesn’t that mean that to some extent Christ was ‘hated’ in so far as He bore our sin and was legally guilty?”

 

 

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